Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

This keeps comming up


Friendly Atheist by @hemantsblog » Should Burkas, Niqabs, and Hijabs Be Banned?

I'm reading an interesting book "Nomad" by a Somali chick Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

"The muslim veil, the different sorts of masks and beaks and burkas, are all graduations of mental slavery. You must ask permission to leave the house, and when you do you must always hide yourself behind thick drapery. Ashamed of yourself, supressing your desires-what small space can you call your own?
The veil deliberately marks women as private and resticted property, nonpersons. The veil sets women apart from men and apart from the world; it restrains them, confines them, grooms them for docility. A mind can be cramped just as a body may be, and a muslim veil blinkers both your vision and your destiny. It is the mark of a kind of apartheid; not the denomination of a race but of a sex.È

There's gotta be a "drug habit" joke in here somewhere...

But seriously, like many things that "everyone knows" that marijuana = gateway drug is a contentious claim. I think there may be something to the religions statement, though. It's very common to hear religious people talk about trying different churches/religions to find one they like. As atheists, we are often exhorted to "choose" to believe by faithmongers. It's as if some people have an aversion to reality or something and just have to subscribe to some kind of warm, fuzzy bullshit belief system.

Originally Posted by Cherry Bomb

Everyone knows that marijuana is the gateway drug, the same can be said for the habit, it's only going to lead harder religions.

Huh?

Anyway;

'Which came first the habit or the burqua? 30 years ago you would have never seen a woman in the middle east wearing one of those burquas but for centuries we have had to tolerate nuns wearing the same thing.'

Funny, I spent a significant period under the watchful eye of particular nun who taught at the school I eventually attended. Before I was old enough she was a favorite babysitter, Then PreSchool and
kindergarten was in the provincial system. SHe was a friend of my Mothers, I presented my oldest, now 20.
I did notice that in her order at least the dress had been liberialized.
Some of my fondest memories are of learning from "Sister Peter", who worked just across the street from where I grew up. All I re.call is the eyes and smile.

WHen I saw the pictures of myself at 3 to 6 years, it always is surprising how close to your picture my initial memories of her are.
Twenty some years later her 'Habit' was just a head-ress and a business suit . Despite all the influence she had I do not recall any religious discussion. No parables, no x-mas stories, just Reading , Writing and Arithmatic.
Until I was 6 she was a mentor.

The veil, was in the news again, someone filmed a group of downtrodden women in full middle ages garb getting on a plane in Montreal without getting their faces checked with passports.
Its sort of sad when the next people ask why they have to show their passports, when an entire group just walked on veils intact. I would think twice about getting on a plane with masked people on board.

You do not have the right to anonymity.
You try refusing to tell a police officer who you are after you're detained and see how long they hold you.

It's called contempt of court and they *never* have to release you, because as long as you're in contempt, it's up to a judge to let you go

But this isn't anonymity to the general public. Even if you're forced to give your name to government officials, you still have the right to remain anonymous to other people in a public area. If this is not so, I'd like to see where it says so in the criminal code of Canada.

You're comparing the rights of individuals to live in their own culture, to an individual's alleged right to conceal their identity. If mennonites decided to walk around covering their faces in public institutions, they'd be asked to leave, too. Stop hugging culture and stick to the FACTS.

Actually, I think you're referring to private institutions. With banks and malls, the decision is up to the land owner because it's their land. Public institutions like govt offices will allow you to wear a burqua.

If you wanted to wear a ski-mask, yes, you would be asked to leave. That is only because the only reason people wear ski-masks is to rob places. Doing so, isn't a part of any culture or movement. If it were, it would be acceptable under the law (although you would constantly be confronted by security and would generally be annoying).

There are two examples of this: Bagism and the Anonymous protests.
Bagism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anonymous (group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

You do NOT have the right to dress as you feel comfortable.
When what you are wearing compromises the security of society in public institutions, you can be detained for refusing to remove it.

The concept "compromises the security of society" is very vague. I'm pretty sure the law doesn't state this (if so, I'd like to see where). To keep away from a slippery slope, the law needs to be more specific.

You can be arrested for wearing your work uniform outside of work if you don't have a very good reason in some professions. A locksmith walking around with lock-picking tools, for instance.

These are very special-case scenarios. This also doesn't apply to public anonymity. Wearing official public uniforms isn't allowed because people need to know if they're dealing with an official or not. Many times its a matter of life or death.

So, yes, there are a few exceptions to wearing whatever you want. But as far as remaining anonymous, you're allowed to do so, especially if you're just walking down the street or on private land.


Personally...

I think allowing burquas is a case-by-case issue. If a school wants to ban burquas on the basis of security, they should have to prove that the school or community has had a history of violent incidents in which people concealed their identity. Or, if it's on the basis that it's distracting, then they should have to show that a class had suffered in grades when people in it wore burquas.

I'm all for having rules for the common good. But they have to be practical and their practicality has to be backed by evidence.

I am just worried about the girl, is she forced to wear the sack, cultural norm aside, but only wearing it out of fear.