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    Default Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

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    I cannot believe this young girl, living in Canada, in 2010 would want
    to wear a black hood over my head. How medieval!
    I can also understand others objections, security wise, it could be anyone
    under there.
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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    Good.
    Ban her from school if she won't remove her disguise.

    I could pretend to not have an opinion about her religion in any way shape or form and still have a legitimate claim for her to not wear the disguise.

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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    If it was just a matter of wearing floor-length skirts or long-sleeved tops or a yarmulke or something I would say go ahead, what difference does it make? But there are very good reasons for not allowing unidentifiable people to wander the halls of a school, just like there are very good reasons for not allowing young boys to carry weapons in school (like the kirpan).

    If a school (or a government) has seen fit to make a rule or law for reasons of safety, health or hygiene then that should be the end of it. There should be no question of individuals being exempt on religious grounds. If you allow burqas to be worn in school you'll have enterprising teenage boys wearing burqas to check out the girls locker room (at least) and (at worst) devious pedophiles following young girls into the bathroom.

    To me this is similar to the case of the Wpg guy who wanted an exemption from motorcycle helmet laws so he could keep his turban on. Whatever chain of reasoning led to mandatory helmet laws in Manitoba went right out the window when they decided to make an exception for that guy.

    Having said all that, I do have some sympathy for women who have been brought up in a culture that required them to cover themselves. It must be difficult to adapt to western openness and they may feel quite 'exposed' at times without their full cover. I don't think they should be forced to discard their burqa completely but only in places or situations where you wouldn't allow anybody else to wear a mask or complete cover like in a bank or school or on a photo-id, etc. I suspect the next generation will be much happier to be free of the confining garments if they are not pressured too hard to conform one way or the other.
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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    The day I see someone wearing a burqa in a bank, I'll be calling the police to report a suspicious individual in a disguise at the bank.

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    I have no sympathy for this woman and in my opinion she seems like she's just trying to start trouble anyways. Make a quick example of her and be done with it, prolonged exposure only breeds sympathy and angry Muslims.
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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    Yes, if you walked into a bank wearing a motorcycle helmet or other face-covering apparel you would be asked to remove it. I've seen this occur rather dramatically. A young man came into a bank and was in the process of removing his helmet when a manager rushed over and made quite a point of telling him to remove his helmet before entering in future as the tellers were instructed to sound the alarm as soon as anyone came in wearing a mask. This may not be the policy at all banks but it was obvious that the tellers were quite tense when he first walked in. I've never heard of any problems with burqa-wearers in banks. I wonder if it's ever come up and, if so, how was it handled?
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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Blondin View Post
    Yes, if you walked into a bank wearing a motorcycle helmet or other face-covering apparel you would be asked to remove it.
    That I get, what I cannot fathom is WANTING to wear a restrictive hoodie, 2 little eye holes. Just because, and I assume the girls are terrified
    to ask why! Again and again we see, ( I can only assume they are girls and different ones at that.) girls in these hoodies proclaiming
    their love for this ancient torture?
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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    I can understand wanting to wear a burqa from a non-religious standpoint. So many guys check out girls as they walk in public, and I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with looking at a pretty girl, but the burqa is an escape from this when a woman just wants to be in public but not have to worry about men's (and some women's) eyes gazing at them. Some women have said they've felt liberated when wearing one. If you don't believe there are a lot of guys that do this, the next time you see a pretty girl walking down the street, count how many guys you see checking her out.

    *edit* Never mind, I was thinking of a hijab. Unless it's Halloween, I don't see a point for a burqa. Their religion doesn't even force them to wear it as a lot of Muslims say, so there's no reason at all.
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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I can understand wanting to wear a burqa from a non-religious standpoint. So many guys check out girls as they walk in public, and I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with looking at a pretty girl, but the burqa is an escape from this when a woman just wants to be in public but not have to worry about men's (and some women's) eyes gazing at them. Some women have said they've felt liberated when wearing one. If you don't believe there are a lot of guys that do this, the next time you see a pretty girl walking down the street, count how many guys you see checking her out.
    So much human to human interface (no pun) is through visual means, expression accounts for a lot. Depriving yourself of a large percentage of basic communication with almost all humanity, just because some dork in a turban thinks women should cover up.
    I also see what you were saying above. For the most part the girls who want the attention get it, those who do not want attention learn the skills to blend in, those who want more attention learn techniques for that as well.
    Covering up in such a draconian medieval hood is more about the male ownership of the wearer than it is about modesty.
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    Default Re: Quebec girl cant wear burqua in school

    The burqua makes a woman unemployable. This means she stays at home and raises children and is under the care and protection of her husband, her brothers, her family. She is someone elses responsibility.
    If a woman goes to school to educate herself she must want some kind of career, so I find the burqua contradictory.

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