4 Step Perfect Proof for God and Minimal Facts Approach

4 Step Proof for God (4SPFG), 4 Step Minimal Facts Approach (4SMFA), and Observe TAO4C

Notice the non-Christian (a) shuts his mind down, (b) misreads the Bible, (c) avoids dealing with and is (d) unable to disprove the 4 Step Proof for God or the Minimal Facts Approach which, therefore, remain unchallenged. To them we say, "In the name of Jesus Christ, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead in none other is there salvation: for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved" (Acts 4.10,12). May you experience the love and joy and peace of God completely proving His existence as shown in the Perfect Proof for God and the Minimal Facts Approach. These prove the resurrection of Jesus and that He is God. If you choose to refuse the forgiveness of the salvation of Christ on the cross, you will be resurrected for Hell. Jesus said, "I assure you, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life" (John 5.24) which implies some shall be condemned and eternally separated from God.


4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the Bible (4SPFG)

1. Exponential progression of conscience* (see evidence of) disallows an eternity of the past of cause and effects in the natural realm since the human race would not still be sinning to the extent it still does. Therefore, the Uncreated (always existing) created who is God of the Bible only since none can compare to Christ (by proof of resurrection using the Minimal Facts Approach).

2. The preponderance of evidence (trillions+), beyond of reasonable doubt, of cause and effects tell us nothing in the universe is without a cause, otherwise you would have to be all-knowing to know if God exists, and obviously, you are not God. It is not necessary to know everything to know if God exists due to overwhelming evidence. Therefore, the Uncreated must exist Who created, the only known available possibility Who is God of the Bible since none can compare to Christ. "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth" (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of Sherlock Homes). "If all known possibilities are impossible, what we had deemed impossible must be true" (Spock on Star Trek).

3. Don't argue against a quality of some god that is not the nature of God of the Bible, otherwise you are arguing not against God of the Bible but something else. (It is necessary to point this out because the problem of misreading the Bible happens so often.) I am standing on this hill, while you are over there arguing on another hill off-topic.

4. Exponential progression of conscience disallows the eternity of the past of cause and effects in the supernatural if it exists (the supernatural was proven to exist in Step 1 and 2) since people would not still be sinning as much as they do now. Therefore, the uncreated Creator created who is God of the Bible because none can compare to Christ (by comparison).

* If there is an eternity of the past of cause and effects then according to Grade 12 Calculus anything approximating into that past eternity is deemed to have existed for eternity, and effectively, therefore, all things would have already happened, e.g. our universe would have experienced far greater heat death than would exist in a universe 13.7 billion years old.


4 Step Minimal Facts Approach, Proving the Resurrection of Jesus and that He is God (4SMFA)

1. Without assuming Biblical inerrancy, where does the evidence lead us? 95 to 99.9% of skeptical scholars who do their thesis work, are accredited and have peer review journal work done on the resurrection in the past half century (we know this because we counted them-see Gary R. Habermas) agree Paul really wrote and really believed what he wrote in 1 Cor. 15 and Gal. 1 & 2.

2. In these 3 chapters, Paul said he met with Peter, James (brother of Jesus) and John on several occasions in which the first meeting was with Peter (spent 15 days with) and James within 5 years of Jesus' death on the cross, and they all agreed to the reason for being the eyewitnesses, in various group settings, to the bodily resurrection of Jesus.

3. People do not willingly die for something they know is a lie or a lie they made up themselves, nor do they willing go to their deaths as martyrs if they don't believe in what they are doing. (Church fathers-Clement of Rome knew Peter and Polycarp was a student of John-report the eyewitnesses whom they personally knew some of, were put to death for claiming they saw Jesus resurrected, worshiping Him as God and claiming the only way to be saved was through Jesus. And this concurs with the martyrdom of James and Stephen and almost Paul recorded by Luke in Acts.) The apostles really believed they saw, talked with, touched, walked with and ate with the resurrected Jesus, in various group settings given in Scripture, which convinced them He is God and so became bold proclaimers when before they were doubters. Substantial evidence in Scripture testifies to this fact. The Bible is the proof and is allowed to prove something.

4. If no naturalistic theory can account for the claim of witnessing the bodily resurrection of Jesus, then it must be true they saw Jesus resurrected, for no other possibility exists in nature or human psychology that fits the data which shows He created us, He is uncreated and salvation is through Him. Since this is not something so complicated the world can't understand it like some aspects of quantum mechanics, a naturalistic explanation should be relatively easy to devise, yet none exist even after all this time to meet the data that skeptical scholars are virtually unanimous on. There is a time to reserve judgment and a time to give into overwhelming evidence. Therefore, we are without excuse. By holding out you're exhibiting a false humility that has become your idol and point of pride of life. Let's hypothetically say Jesus is not God, but God exists. God won't judge you for abiding in this evidence because it is so strong: a personal God who personally reveals Himself is far better than an absentee landlord. If God doesn't exist, then you have nothing to lose anyway in receiving Christ into your life, because you will cease to exist anyhow. The choice is obvious.

In conclusion, Hell would be needed for the unsaved who send themselves there to keep them eternally separated from God's own people, not unlike how we need to keep some prisoners locked up in jail for life so they can't do harm to society. Our prayers go out to those who are unwilling to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated--to come to the cross as helpless sinners to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior Who resurrected the 3rd day, was raised to the right hand of the Father the 40th day from Sunday and Who is the 2nd Person of the Triune God, the fullness of the Godhead bodily, Who took the form of a man in the likeness of the flesh to be the perfect sacrifice as ransom to pay for the sins of the world "whosoever believeth" (John 3.16) to be saved by grace through faith.

Amen.

Where was it shot down there? The proof held.

I couldn't see anything in those links that rebutted the opening post, perhaps you could summarize.

You would have to respond to the specific proof given in the opening post.

Honestly, I don't know how to disprove the proof in the opening post either.

It's amazing how one can take the same "argument" and throw it right back:

Notice how the Christian (a) shuts his mind down, (b) misreads the Bible, (c) avoids dealing with and is (d) unable to disprove the 4 Step Proof for God or the Minimal Facts Approach.

Originally Posted by Parture

Honestly, I don't know how to disprove the proof in the opening post either.

of course you don't. how can you disprove your own "proof" in something you already believe in with all your heart?

you are already emotionally biased towards your beliefs. if anything, a non-believer would arguably have the best approach towards interpreting bible since they have no vested interest in its contents.

Originally Posted by Blondin

What evidence do you have that there has been an eternity of cause and effects?

I think you misunderstand. I have no such evidence for a past eternity of cause and effects, and the 4 Step Perfect Proof of God shows why there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects. The evidence points to the contrary, therfore, only one option remains, the uncreated Creator whom we know to be Jesus because none can compare to Christ and the proof of His resurrection, for only God can resurrect Himself.

Originally Posted by Blondin

I think you misunderstood. My point was that nobody is claiming that there has been an eternity of cause & effect so why bring it up.

Actually you asked me, "What evidence do you have that there has been an eternity of cause and effects?" Since I don't believe there is any evidence for an eternity of the past of cause and effects, the Proof for God proves there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effecxts, and it doesn't make much sense if I was trying to prove that there was then claim there was an uncreated Creator. You're confusing yourself!

I don't know what percentage of atheists believe the universe came from nothing and what percentage claim the universe always existed, but since both of these can not be true, we are left with only one possibility, the uncreated Creator.

Knowing this, figure out where God revealed Himself, and you will soon discover none can compare to Christ by His perfect proof He is God.