• Dawkins plans to arrest Pope Benedict XVI

    Attachment 304Richard Dawkins has began planning a legal ambush to have Pope Benedict XVI arrested during his visit to Britain. The charge? "crimes against humanity".

    Both Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens have been working with human rights lawyers to produce a case for charging the Pope after he has allegedly covered up a history of sexual abuse in the Catholic church.

    As reported by Times Online, "The pair believe they can exploit the same legal principle used to arrest Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, when he visited Britain in 1998.

    The Pope was embroiled in new controversy this weekend over a letter he signed arguing that the “good of the universal church” should be considered against the defrocking of an American priest who committed sex offences against two boys. It was dated 1985, when he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which deals with sex abuse cases.

    Benedict will be in Britain between September 16 and 19, visiting London, Glasgow and Coventry, where he will beatify Cardinal John Henry Newman, the 19th-century theologian.

    Dawkins and Hitchens believe the Pope would be unable to claim diplomatic immunity from arrest because, although his tour is categorised as a state visit, he is not the head of a state recognised by the United Nations."

    To continue reading, head on over to the TimesOnline.co.uk.
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    1. keckster's Avatar
      keckster -
      ---Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Ye s!!,,,ARREST HIM ...
    1. Blondin's Avatar
      Blondin -
      It should be noted that this article is a just a little over-sensational. Over at Richard Dawkins' website he made the following comment in response:

      Needless to say, I did NOT say "I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI" or anything so personally grandiloquent. You have to remember that The Sunday Times is a Murdoch newspaper, and that all newspapers follow the odd custom of entrusting headlines to a sub-editor, not the author of the article itself.

      What I DID say to Marc Horne when he telephoned me out of the blue, and I repeat it here, is that I am whole-heartedly behind the initiative by Geoffrey Robertson and Mark Stephens to mount a legal challenge to the Pope's proposed visit to Britain. Beyond that, I declined to comment to Marc Horme, other than to refer him to my 'Ratzinger is the Perfect Pope' article here: 'Ratzinger is the Perfect Pope' by Richard Dawkins - The Washington Post - RichardDawkins.net

      Here is what really happened. Christopher Hitchens first proposed the legal challenge idea to me on March 14th. I responded enthusiastically, and suggested the name of a high profile human rights lawyer whom I know. I had lost her address, however, and set about tracking her down. Meanwhile, Christopher made the brilliant suggestion of Geoffrey Robertson. He approached him, and Mr Robertson's subsequent 'Put the Pope in the Dock' article in The Guardian shows him to be ideal: 'Put the pope in the dock' by Geoffrey Robertson - guardian.co.uk - RichardDawkins.net
      The case is obviously in good hands, with him and Mark Stephens. I am especially intrigued by the proposed challenge to the legality of the Vatican as a sovereign state whose head can claim diplomatic immunity.

      Even if the Pope doesn't end up in the dock, and even if the Vatican doesn't cancel the visit, I am optimistic that we shall raise public consciousness to the point where the British government will find it very awkward indeed to go ahead with the Pope's visit, let alone pay for it.
    1. Supaman89's Avatar
      Supaman89 -
      I would be like a dream come true
    1. Lord Hysteria's Avatar
      Lord Hysteria -
      Quote Originally Posted by keckster View Post
      ---Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Yes!!,,,Ye s!!,,,ARREST HIM ...
      Well perhaps not him, per se.

      But I would like the Papacy to be formally and legally answerable to someone.

      If anyone else had been involved in child abuse, then we’d rightfully have to go to court. Why should divine status shield someone?
    1. Demojen's Avatar
      Demojen -
      They're going to have one hell of a challenge charging someone for a crime not committed in their own country.
    1. Penguin's Avatar
      Penguin -
      Who says it wasn't? If the Catholic Church in Britain engaged in criminal activity and it can be linked to the Pope, then I suppose there's an outside chance that he could be criminally implicated.

      Also, some countries allow prosecution for crimes that occurred outside the country's borders. The case of Pinochet established that British courts can cite "universal jurisdiction" in the case of especially serious crimes.
    1. Rationella's Avatar
      Rationella -
      This is very interesting. I'm glad to see Richard Dawkins taking this sex abuse scandal more seriously since one part of his book "The God Delusion" seemed to underestimate the trauma caused by sexually abusive priests. The pope should be held to account for his actions around the charges of sexual interference. Only by insisting that these abuses and cover-ups be treated as crimes will the victims receive the support and vindication they need.
    1. Demojen's Avatar
      Demojen -
      This offers an interesting post idea.
      Is there a fate worse then death?

      Some of us know what rape is like.
      Some of us can tell you how cruel mankind can be. But death?

      On the other hand, it's considered mercilous to kill something that is suffering with no promise for any sort of survival.

      Is there a fate worse then death, if the prospects for survival were not in question?
    1. lvzhigang's Avatar
      lvzhigang -
      interesting.
    1. MiCK's Avatar
      MiCK -
      Should hold every single one of them accountable for the breach of trust and the crimes against children. Kids are taught to trust adults, especially those of the church...bullshit when they are abused (repeatedly) and everyone walks away scott free...bull! hang 'em all! string 'em up by their rose beads!
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